Life After Ministry

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   1. I'm Not Dying In The Pulpit (featuring Dr. Toney Parks)

   SummaryIn this conversation, Pastor Toney Parks shares his journey from an unlikely candidate to becoming a pastor and his experiences growing up in Birmingham. He discusses the influence of Martin Luther King Jr. and the importance of community in the black church. Pastor Parks reflects on his 32 years of pastoring a church and the decision to retire. He emphasizes the need for pastors to prepare for retirement and shares his own plans for life after ministry.TakeawaysThe black church has playe

   Apr 23,2024 49:24
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   2. Trusting The Good Shepherd (featuring Jon Morrison)

   SummaryJon Morrison shares his journey from vocational ministry to entrepreneurship. He discusses his call to ministry, the catalyst that brought him out of ministry, and the challenges he faced during the scrambling season. Jon emphasizes the transferable skills that pastors possess and how they can be applied in the marketplace. He shares his own experiences in entrepreneurship and highlights the blessings and opportunities that come with life after ministry. Jon encourages pastors to have hop

   Apr 20,2024 39:16
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   3. Hope, Healing, and Health After Ministry (featuring Alan Ramsey)

   SummaryAlan Ramsey shares his journey of transitioning out of vocational ministry and into a new career. He discusses the challenges and emotions he faced during this transition, as well as the support he received from his church leadership. Alan highlights the transferable skills he gained from ministry and how they apply to his current role as a corporate chaplain. He emphasizes the importance of giving oneself time to grieve and process the end of a ministry season. Alan also shares his persp

   Mar 27,2024 34:54
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   4. The Wilderness Paradox (featuring Ian & Sharalee Smith)

   SummaryIn this conversation, Ian and Sharalee Smith share their journey of transitioning in and out of ministry and the lessons they have learned along the way. They discuss the decision to have six children and the challenges and blessings of raising a large family. They also talk about living in the wilderness and the importance of trusting God in uncertain times. They share their experiences of stepping out in faith and the invitation to know God on a deeper level. Finally, they discuss their

   Mar 21,2024 43:20
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   5. Forfeiting Your Soul In Ministry (featuring Shawn & Sonny Hennessy)

   SummaryThis conversation explores the challenges and struggles faced by pastors and their families in ministry. The guests, Shawn and Sonny Hennessy, share their personal journey of leaving ministry and finding restoration. They discuss the need for emotional growth, the systemic issues within the church, and the importance of creating a culture of vulnerability. They also highlight their work in providing a retreat center for pastors and individuals in need of healing and restoration. The conve

   Mar 12,2024 45:04
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   6. Ministry Is Not Defined By Who Signs Your Paycheck (featuring Michael Shafer)

   SummaryDr. Michael Shafer shares his journey of transitioning out of full-time ministry and starting G6 Allies, a ministry that supports pastors and church leaders. He discusses the challenges he faced, including being blindsided by his termination and the impact it had on his family. Despite the difficulties, he found healing and purpose in helping other pastors and their families through G6 Allies. He also shares his experience of starting G6 Church and the importance of building resilient Chr

   Mar 10,2024 33:40
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   7. Choosing Discomfort (featuring Dane Sanders)

   SummaryDane Sanders shares his journey from vocational ministry to his current work with Men and Women of Discomfort. He discusses the challenges faced in vocational ministry and the need for better transitions and support within the Christian community.Dane explains the concept of Men and Women of Discomfort, a program that focuses on intentional discomfort to foster personal growth and strength. The goal is to be strong and awake for love's sake. He emphasizes the importance of community in th

   Mar 10,2024 01:11:34
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   8. Ministry In The Military (featuring Chaplain Jordan Huggins)

   SummaryIn this episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, titled "Ministry In The Military," we explore a path that many pastors might not have considered: becoming a military chaplain. Our guest, Chaplain Jordan Huggins, shares his firsthand experience serving in both the US Air Force and Space Force. For pastors wrestling with "what's next?" Jordan's journey offers a compelling glimpse into a role where ministry skills are not just useful but vital.Serving as a military chaplain brings unique

   Feb 21,2024 18:20
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   9. Essential Conversations For Your Board (featuring Dr. Dee Dee Mayer)

   SummaryDr. Dee Dee Mayer discusses the importance of board governance within the church and the need for training and support for governing boards. She shares her research on the role of elder boards in supporting wellness in pastoral leadership and the challenges they face. Dr. Mayer emphasizes the importance of selecting board members based on spiritual maturity and creating a culture of accountability and healthy conflict resolution. She provides nine essential conversations for governing boa

   Feb 13,2024 33:02
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    10. The Wounded Pastor (featuring Dr. Matthew Tanner)

    SummaryIt’s the reason we started the Life After Ministry podcast: the distressing experiences of leadership figures within the ministry who've faced the severe blow of unjust terminations or forced resignations. Join us as we explore this crucial topic with Dr. Matthew Tanner, founder of Wounded Leadership, an organization committed to offering restoration and healing for these traumatized leaders.Starting from his personal experiences, Dr. Tanner equates the transformative journey of these lea

    Feb 06,2024 33:39
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    11. God Doesn't Waste Pain (featuring Dillon Fawcett)

    SummaryIn this episode of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, Dillon Fawcett candidly shares his unique journey, transitioning from pastoral ministry and his entry point into the world of mental health counseling. With honesty and vulnerability, Dillon opens up about the ups and downs he experienced, the transitions that challenged him, and the invaluable lessons he's learned. His story is a powerful testament to the truth that life doesn't end after ministry – in fact, it can take on new, meanin

    Jan 29,2024 40:12
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    12. Cultivating Bravery In Transition (featuring BrianJames & Michelle McMahon)

    SummaryThis conversation explores the experiences of Brian James and Michelle McMahon as they transitioned out of vocational ministry and created safe spaces for pastors and church leaders. They discuss the challenges of being in ministry, the importance of vulnerability and authenticity, and the need for safe and supportive communities.The conversation also touches on the role of female pastors and the redefinition of church. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of cultivating trus

    Jan 23,2024 52:24
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    13. Transitions In The African American Church (featuring J. Ricardo Smith)

    SummaryIn this episode, Matt Davis interviews J. Ricardo Smith at the Classic City Conference in Athens, Georgia. They discuss the purpose and origins of the conference, the state of the black church post-COVID, the challenges of identity and transition in ministry, finding hope and help in difficult seasons, planning for the future of the conference, and the importance of mental health in ministry. J. Ricardo Smith shares his insights and experiences, emphasizing the need for community and supp

    Jan 16,2024 19:32
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    14. Refined By The Fire(d) (featuring Kyle & Maria Isabelli)

    SummaryKyle and Maria Isabelli share their experience of being fired from their church ministry and the emotional impact it had on them. They discuss the process of being let go, the loss they felt, and the journey of healing and finding purpose again. Kyle wrote a book titled 'Refined by the Fired' to help others who have gone through similar experiences. They emphasize the importance of clear expectations and communication in ministry and the need for empathy and shepherding in leadership role

    Jan 10,2024 35:58
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    15. What Have We Learned? (Season One Recap)

    SummaryAs we wrap up an incredible first season of the "Life After Ministry" podcast, join us, Matt and Marilee Davis, in reflecting on the profound insights and heartwarming stories we've encountered. This journey hasn't just been about sharing stories - it's been a path of personal growth and unexpected joy for us too. Here are some pivotal takeaways that have resonated not just with our listeners, but deeply within our own lives:Embracing the Darkness in Transitions: One of the most powerful

    Dec 30,2023 31:45
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    16. When Heartbreak Redefines Ministry (featuring Clayton Stenson)

    SummaryClayton Stenson shares his journey of transitioning from ministry to a new career and finding hope and purpose in life after ministry. He discusses his background in ministry, the challenges he faced, and the support he received during a difficult time of grief and loss. Clayton also highlights the transferable skills he gained from his ministry experience and how they have helped him succeed in his current role. He encourages others who are going through similar transitions to seek suppo

    Dec 23,2023 27:24
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    17. A Calling Greater Than Ministry (featuring Thom Van Dycke)

    SummaryTom Dyke shares his journey from ministry to starting his own business. He discusses his background in Manitoba, Canada, and his various roles in ministry, including being a youth pastor and overseeing family ministries. Tom initiated his departure from ministry due to challenges within the church and found a new calling in marketing and storytelling. He shares his financial success in his new business and challenges the poverty mindset often associated with pastors. Tom emphasizes the im

    Dec 19,2023 32:48
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    18. Grieving Our Own Losses (featuring Dan Broyles)

    Summary:In this episode, Pastor Dan Broyles discusses the challenges pastors face when seeking counseling and the importance of grieving their own losses. He also highlights the need for pastors to connect with others outside their church community and provides hope for those in times of transition.Our guest, Dan Broyles, wears two significant hats – that of a Care Pastor and a licensed Christian therapist. Known for his profound ability to offer solace, Dan is the go-to person for pastors acros

    Dec 11,2023 20:22
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    19. Can Pastors Be Entrepreneurs? (featuring Jon Sanders)

    In this conversation, Jon Sanders shares his journey from being a pastor to transitioning into a new season of ministry. He discusses the calling that led him into ministry and the challenges he faced along the way. Jon also explores the concept of bi-vocational ministry and the role of entrepreneurs in the church. He encourages pastors to embrace their unique gifts and explore new opportunities outside of traditional ministry. The conversation highlights the importance of finding a new path and

    Dec 09,2023 40:30
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    20. Don’t Burn Out, Burn Bright (featuring Jonathan Malm)

    In this episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we tackle a critical issue that often serves as a catalyst for pastoral transitions: burnout. While our mission at Pastoral Transitions is to support ministry leaders in their journey out of ministry, we're equally passionate about preventing burnout to keep our church leaders healthy, strong, and vibrant.Joining us is Jonathan Malm, co-author of "Don't Burn Out, Burn Bright," a book offering practical wisdom on avoiding the pitfalls that lead

    Nov 30,2023 31:38
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    21. Facing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You (featuring Ryan and Lindsay Gentles)

    In "Facing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You," the ninth episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we’re invited into the world of Ryan and Lindsay Gentles. It's a tale of closing a decade-long chapter in ministry, of navigating farewells that feel more like eulogies than celebrations, and the struggle to exit gracefully without the dramatics of a "Jerry Maguire" moment.What unfolds when silence is imposed, and the grief of leaving is a burden carried alone? How does a family find its way throu

    Nov 14,2023 01:01:18
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    22. When Elders Initiate Transition (featuring Gary Weaber)

    In Episode 8, we sit down with Gary Weaber, who poured his heart into pastoral ministry for over three and a half decades. Imagine, after 36 dedicated years, facing a conversation with your elders about stepping down from your teaching role.Most pastors dread this talk, fearing miscommunication, hurt, and the potential fallout that could affect the congregation.Yet, Gary's story shines a different light.Instead of walking away with wounds, he left that meeting feeling uplifted, rating the experi

    Oct 27,2023 13:08
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    23. The Difference Between Hurt & Injury (featuring Shane McDonald)

    Just mentioning "church hurt" will hit home for many of you. It’s baffling. The very place we'd expect to find solace and healing often turns out to be a source of deep wounds. If this resonates with you, you're not alone, and this episode is a must-listen.Our guest, Shane McDonald, a licensed mental health counselor and former pastor, knows all too well what it's like to transition from serving in a ministry to a therapeutic setting. When he shared that a staggering 90% of his clients are deali

    Oct 10,2023 21:10
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    24. Transition Can Be ’Brutiful’ (featuring Justin and Amanda McNeil)

    We sat down with Justin and Amanda McNeil at the American Association of Christian Counselors conference, and their story is nothing short of compelling.What sets their story apart is its testament to the notion that transitions out of vocational ministry don't have to be filled with negativity or go horribly wrong. In fact, their journey illustrates that even the most complex shifts can be navigated with grace, hope, and what they call "brutiful" resilience.Justin and Amanda take us on a ride f

    Sep 26,2023 19:20
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    25. Pain Is A Teacher (featuring Gary & Lisa Black)

    In Episode 5, "Pain Is A Teacher," we sit down with the inspiring couple, Gary & Lisa Black, to discuss the transformative power of enduring life's toughest transitions.From losing a spouse and a child to navigating numerous shifts in ministry, Gary and Lisa have amassed a wealth of wisdom that they generously share in this episode.Their story is a testament to the resilience of faith and the lessons that can only be learned through pain.Get your pen and paper ready—you won't want to miss the in

    Sep 16,2023 36:22
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    26. The Holy Mess Of Pastoral Transitions (featuring Josh Harris)

    Episode 4 of the Life After Ministry Podcast is a replay of a conversation Matt Davis had on Josh Harris's podcast, "Clear and Loud."Entitled "The Holy Mess of Pastoral Transitions," this episode dives deep into the complexities that come with leaving a role in ministry.With over two decades of experience as a Teaching and Executive Pastor, Matt shares the hard lessons learned during his own exit from pastoral service.The episode answers crucial questions like:Why are pastoral transitions unique

    Sep 15,2023 48:52
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    27. Your Mental Health After Ministry (featuring Noe Rivera)

    In Episode 3 of the Life After Ministry Podcast, we talk to Noe Rivera, a key member of the founding team behind Pastoral Transitions.Growing up as a pastor's kid, Noe intimately understands the emotional toll that ministry transitions can take on families.Titled "Mental Health After Ministry," this episode dives into Noe's missionary years and the shifts that followed, laying the groundwork for his current role as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT).Noe specializes in aiding individ

    Sep 14,2023 39:11
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    28. How To Figure Out Your Career After Ministry (featuring Bill Tom)

    In Episode 2 of the Life After Ministry Podcast, we sit down with Bill Tom, Founder, CEO, and Chief Ministry Officer of Pastoral Transitions.With a rich background in career coaching and executive search, Bill offers priceless advice on vocational discernment for those exiting ministry roles.The episode, aptly titled "How To Figure Out Your Career After Ministry," provides a roadmap for navigating life's next chapter. Bill also reveals the recurring theme he encountered in his office that was th

    Sep 13,2023 39:26
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    29. Is there life AFTER ministry?

    In the inaugural episode of the Life After Ministry Podcast, hosts Matt and Marilee Davis open up about their own journey post-ministry. With vulnerability, they discuss the challenges and opportunities they encountered as they transitioned into a new career, community, and even way of life. The episode digs into the complexities of untangling emotional and spiritual intricacies that come with leaving a ministry role. Whether you're a pastor contemplating a career change, or a leader helping som

    Sep 12,2023 31:40
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    30. Life After Ministry - An Introduction

    Change is inevitable, especially in our careers.For those who have devoted their lives to the profound call of ministry, transitioning away can seem not just like a change of job, but a seismic shift in identity and purpose. But it's essential to remember: transitions in ministry can also be immensely positive and lead to vibrant new beginnings. And while there are undoubted challenges and heartaches, there's also hope, rejuvenation, and tales of transitions that have unfolded beautifully.'Life

    Aug 07,2023 02:00
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    31. Life After Ministry - Pilot

    Many of us have experienced the sting of losing a job. But there's something uniquely challenging about leaving a position in full-time vocational ministry. Whether you're stepping down from a church or leaving a kingdom nonprofit, it's not as simple as just changing jobs.Suddenly, everything changes. You're left navigating not just a career transition, but also a profound shift in identity, community, and daily routines. It feels like stepping into an unknown, filled with questions like, "What'

    Aug 07,2023 01:35